Talk:Rocket to Russia

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Songwriting credits

On the LP Rocket to Russia the songs are credited to the Ramones and the copyright registrations for these songs show words and music by Jeffrey Hyman, Douglas Colvin, Thomas Erdelyi and John Cummings. The source being offered, a youtube video, is far from definitive and the interview is peppered with qualifying phrases such as "I'm not sure", "I hear", "I think" and "I don't know." In fact, the interview begins by talking about how the Ramones collaborated. As far as exactly who wrote what within a collaborative songwriting effort should be addressed in the body of the article. Unfortunately, that may require an editor to compose a complete sentence or two, maybe even a short paragraph. Piriczki (talk) 12:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Spelling?

Shouldn't it be "lobotomee" in "Gonna get my Ph.D, I'm a teenage lobotomy"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.248.218.89 (talk) 10:20, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rocket to Russia/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 09:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Nominator: CrowzRSA

Hi! My review for this article will be here shortly. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 09:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

1: Well-written

• a. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
• b. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

WP:LEAD:

Check for WP:LEAD: Check for Correct Structure of Lead Section:  Done Check for Citations (WP:LEADCITE):  Done Check for Introductory text:  Done Check for Provide an accessible overview (MOS:INTRO):  Done Major Point 1: Conception "Its origins date back to the summer of 1977 … while the inner sleeve artwork depicted many of the themes portrayed in songs." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 1.1: Background "Its origins date back to the summer of 1977 when "Sheena Is a Punk Rocker" was released as a single. That summer was known as the peak of the punk rock genre, since many punk bands were offered recording contracts." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 1.2: Recording and production "The album's recording began in August 1977, and the band had a considerably larger budget with Sire allowing them $25,000 and $30,000; much of this money went toward the album's production rather than recording." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 1.3: Title and packaging "The album's cover art was directed by John Gillespie. John Holmstrom and guitarist Johnny Ramone both worked on illustration, with the entire back cover contemplating a military them, while the inner sleeve artwork depicted many of the themes portrayed in songs." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 2: Lyrics and compositions "The subject matter of songs varied throughout the album, though nearly all the tracks on the album incorporated humor into the lyrics. The musical style showed more of a surf rock influence, and many songs had minimal structuring." (not a concise summary of the corresponding section in the body) Major Point 3: Reception "The album received positive reception, with many critics appreciating the matured production and sound quality as compared to Rocket to Russia's predecessors. Music critic Stephen Thomas Erlewine called it his favorite Ramones album as it contained several hooks and featured more variety of tempos." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 3.1: Critical "The album was not as commercially successful as the band had hoped, peaking at number 49 on the Billboard 200. Band members blamed the Sex Pistols' for their lack of sales, saying that they changed the punk image for the worst." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 3.2: Sales and aftermath "The shortage of popularity caused Tommy Ramone to leave his position as drummer, and he instead solely worked on production." (summarised well in the lead) Check for Relative emphasis:  Done Major Point 1: Conception "Its origins date back to the summer of 1977 … while the inner sleeve artwork depicted many of the themes portrayed in songs." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 1.1: Background "Its origins date back to the summer of 1977 when "Sheena Is a Punk Rocker" was released as a single. That summer was known as the peak of the punk rock genre, since many punk bands were offered recording contracts." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 1.2: Recording and production "The album's recording began in August 1977, and the band had a considerably larger budget with Sire allowing them $25,000 and $30,000; much of this money went toward the album's production rather than recording." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 1.3: Title and packaging "The album's cover art was directed by John Gillespie. John Holmstrom and guitarist Johnny Ramone both worked on illustration, with the entire back cover contemplating a military them, while the inner sleeve artwork depicted many of the themes portrayed in songs." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 2: Lyrics and compositions "The subject matter of songs varied throughout the album, though nearly all the tracks on the album incorporated humor into the lyrics. The musical style showed more of a surf rock influence, and many songs had minimal structuring." (the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 3: Reception "The album received positive reception, with many critics appreciating the matured production and sound quality as compared to Rocket to Russia's predecessors. Music critic Stephen Thomas Erlewine called it his favorite Ramones album as it contained several hooks and featured more variety of tempos." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 3.1: Critical "The album was not as commercially successful as the band had hoped, peaking at number 49 on the Billboard 200. Band members blamed the Sex Pistols' for their lack of sales, saying that they changed the punk image for the worst." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 3.2: Sales and aftermath "The shortage of popularity caused Tommy Ramone to leave his position as drummer, and he instead solely worked on production." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Check for Opening paragraph (MOS:BEGIN):  Done Check for First sentence (WP:LEADSENTENCE):  Done "Rocket to Russia is the third studio album by the American punk rock band The Ramones, and was released on November 4, 1977 through Sire Records." 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2: Verifiable with no original research

• a. Has an appropriate reference section: Yes
• b. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: excellent (Thorough check on Google.)

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• c. No original research:  Done

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3: Broad in its coverage

a. Major aspects:

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b. Focused:
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4: Neutral

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5: Stable: No edit wars, etc: Yes

6: Images  Done (NFC with a valid FUR)

Images:

Done 6: Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:  Done Check for copyright tags (WP:TAGS):  Done Check for copyright status:  Done Check for non-free content (WP:NFC):  Done Check for valid fair use rationales (WP:FUR):  Done 6: Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:  Done Check for image relevance (WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE):  Done Check for Images for the lead (WP:LEADIMAGE):  Done Check for suitable captions (WP:CAPTION):  Done

CrowzRSA, I'm very happy and inspired to see your work here. I do have some insights based on the above checklist that I think will improve the article:

• I think the lead can be improved in order to provide an accessible overview and to give relative emphasis for the Lyrics and compositions.

• I think I fixed it, I added the information to the Lyrics and compositions section. CrowzRSA 22:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks --Seabuckthorn ♥ 01:48, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Besides that, I think the article looks excellent. Please feel free to strike out any recommendation from this review which you think will not help in improving the article which is our main aim here. All the best, --Seabuckthorn ♥ 11:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Promoting the article to GA status. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 01:48, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Album cover public domain?

The album cover is arguably public domain per its publication in this issue of Billboard Magazine as an advertisement without a copyright notice specific to the advertisement. I'm not sure how this works given the international issues involved, but likely is public domain at least in the US. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:12, 6 November 2017 (UTC)