Talk:Hawaii

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Villalobos or Cook ?

In 1542 there was the longitude problem ; longitude measurement required chronometers of good quality, which wasn't available during the 1500's. However measurement of latitude was good enough - and very simple in sunshine together with accurate date at local noon. The Marshall islands are located around 7th degrees North. The Hawaii islands are located at 21th degrees North - a difference of 14 latitudes (the North to South difference or distance in nautical miles are 14 x 60 = 840 nm. Villalobos simply could not have done a so huge miscalculation. Cook got ashore as first of the explorers, but Villalobos spotted the islands long before him. Please correct this error. 83.254.179.26 (talk) 00:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

You need a source UnsungHistory (Questions?) (Did I mess up?) 00:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Should we clarify that the map of Hawaii doesn't include the Leeward Hawaiian Islands?

These islands are all part of Honolulu County (with the exception of Midway Atoll) and therefore part of the state. Sure, no one lives there, but you can say the same thing about much of Alaska, and people do visit them. Yes, the Leeward Hawaiian Islands are a pretty long chain that dwarfs the more populated part of the state, but you can say the same thing about the Aleutian chain going all the way to the Eastern Hemisphere. These are part of the state's territorial jurisdiction. They are just as much a part of Hawaii, USA as any of the many uninhabited parts of the Big Island, for example. Hist4ian (talk) 08:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@Hist4ian you need a source to support your claim UnsungHistory (Questions?) (Did I mess up?) 00:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@UnsungHistory, as the information is trivially verifiable, even within the article itself, this line of concern generally isn't very productive. Remsense ‥ 论 00:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

European arrival

I feel this "European arrival" section under "History" needs a good review. There are broken links, use of questionable sources and (imo) giving undue weight to pre-Cook contact. As a first step, I want to split the European arrival into two sections called "Speculation of European contact before 1778" and "First recorded contact by James Cook". Thoughts or comments? Jp2207 (talk) 20:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Offer for use SVG Map in this article:

Map of the State of Hawaii in SVG format, free for any use without restrictions. On the map: Counties with names, main roads with numbers, Urban Areas, Military Areas, water bodies. The map can be easily edited with any vector editor.

Vector Map State of Hawaii, USA, main roads with numbers, colored counties with names SVG

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_State_of_Hawaii,_USA,_main_roads_with_numbers,_colored_counties_with_names_SVG.svg Kirill Shrayber (talk) 06:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

In what location, presumably one that's not sufficiently illustrated, would it serve the article? Remsense ‥ 论 06:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I am not an editor of articles in Wiki. I draw maps. I just offer maps I have created for publication - for authors and editors of articles in Wiki. The maps are quite high-quality, mostly small in size (state maps) and convenient for use.

You can accept this map for publication, or reject it. There is still hope that another editor of the article will like it more))) I have no bad or selfish intentions. It just seems VERY strange to me that in articles devoted to the States of the USA - there are no maps of these states. Kirill Shrayber (talk) 07:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

If you're not interested in how your maps would fit into a specific article, then please refrain from behaving disruptively as you have been—as these pages are meant to discuss specific improvements to a given article, not advertising your work generally. Remsense ‥ 论 07:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Summerize impact of 'first contact'

The latter part of the second paragraph here Hawaii#First recorded contact (starting "These visitors introduced diseases ...") states that one effect of the contact was the decline in native population as a consequence of imported disease. Two immediate issues:

• the source cited (brittanica.com) makes no mention depopulation or disease
• another source (from US Congress) seems a political (non neutral) publication

Based on source 'Kuykendall' and a PDF already cited elsewhere the article (Native Hawaiian Population Enumerations), I have created an alternative few sentences which, I hope, give a description of the general impact, for good or bad, though still quoting that it was "a foreign invasion" (culturally and demographically). Thus:

"The impact of foreign visitors has been described as an “invasion” which “little by little overwhelmed the old culture of the islands”.[Kuykendall pg 12]. Native Hawaiians were vulnerable to Eurasian diseases for which they had less resistance.[citation needed] During the 1850s, measles killed a fifth of Hawaiʻi's people.[same citation as now]. Forty years after Cook’s arrival, it is estimated that the native population had declined by half and continued to decline throughout the 19th century. [Native Hawaiian Population Enumerations pdf] Meanwhile, the foreign resident population slowly grew; foreigners brought iron tools, manufactured items and household utensils; they also introduced firearms, alcohol, tobacco, livestock, non-native plants, and, inadvertently, insects previously unknown to Hawaii such as mosquitos.[Kuykendall pgs 26-28]"

I am hoping some other editor can find a source for the statement about native Hawaiians being vulnerable to Eurasian diseases. Objections or other feedback? Jp2207 (talk) 00:51, 18 January 2025 (UTC)